Electric Vehicles ("EV")
Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:51 am
Tesla's look cool and other drivers take note each time they see one, which is why most Tesla owners buy one; they want to get noticed and feel "cool". However, electric cars are not economical to own because electricity is not free. BTW most young people think it is free because their mothers didn't remind them daily to turn off the lights when they leave a room like my mother did when I was growing up. I was a poor kid growing up in South St. Louis and my parents believed "a penny saved is a penny earned". - Dan
Here is a note sent to me by one of our members:
Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first article I’ve ever seen and it tells the story pretty much as I expected it to.
At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.
If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than 3 houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.
This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles... Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS!' and a shrug.
If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read them the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It’s enlightening.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors … and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.” Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4-1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000+… So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.
..And the enormously expensive deep-cycle battery MAY last as much as... three years!
Are we really this stupid? The wind mill and solar panel stories are equally insane. There are but a few places where they may just about break even. Pennsylvania is not one of them. We just don't have magic fairy dust energy yet folks... No matter how much the government subsides it!
“It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been fooled.” – Mark Twain
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My Take: I've been in the oil & gas industry for almost 40 years. Over that time, I've heard of many things that were going to lower demand for hydrocarbon based liquid fuels, primarily gasoline and diesel. None of them have come close to slowing down the annual increase in demand for oil and most of them cause more problems. We are going to see more EVs in the future, but the fact is that EV sales must double for ten years in a row (virtually impossible) before they reach 10% of the total fleet of cars and light trucks. As the article above points out, by then they will have created a serious problem for the electrical grid. However, I am bullish on lithium because I think the "Big Ticket Item" is a rechargeable battery system to power the home. I will point this out at our Houston luncheon on October 27. - Dan
Another EPG member (a professor at SMU) sent me this:
The number of electric vehicles will continue to increase over the coming decades and will reduce the growth of global oil demand (not by much), but predictions of hundreds of millions of EVs before 2030 is far-fetched. Here is why: https://www.anasalhajji.com/blog/foreca ... lculations
Here is a note sent to me by one of our members:
Ever since the advent of electric cars, the REAL cost per mile of those things has never been discussed. All you ever heard was the mpg in terms of gasoline, with nary a mention of the cost of electricity to run it. This is the first article I’ve ever seen and it tells the story pretty much as I expected it to.
At a neighborhood BBQ I was talking to a neighbor, a BC Hydro executive. I asked him how that renewable thing was doing. He laughed, then got serious.
If you really intend to adopt electric vehicles, he pointed out, you had to face certain realities. For example, a home charging system for a Tesla requires 75 amp service. The average house is equipped with 100 amp service. On our small street (approximately 25 homes), the electrical infrastructure would be unable to carry more than 3 houses with a single Tesla, each. For even half the homes to have electric vehicles, the system would be wildly over-loaded.
This is the elephant in the room with electric vehicles... Our residential infrastructure cannot bear the load. So as our genius elected officials promote this nonsense, not only are we being urged to buy these things and replace our reliable, cheap generating systems with expensive, new windmills and solar cells, but we will also have to renovate our entire delivery system! This latter "investment" will not be revealed until we're so far down this dead end road that it will be presented with an 'OOPS!' and a shrug.
If you want to argue with a green person over cars that are eco-friendly, just read them the following. Note: If you ARE a green person, read it anyway. It’s enlightening.
Eric test drove the Chevy Volt at the invitation of General Motors … and he writes, "For four days in a row, the fully charged battery lasted only 25 miles before the Volt switched to the reserve gasoline engine.” Eric calculated the car got 30 mpg including the 25 miles it ran on the battery. So, the range including the 9-gallon gas tank and the 16 kwh battery is approximately 270 miles.
It will take you 4-1/2 hours to drive 270 miles at 60 mph. Then add 10 hours to charge the battery and you have a total trip time of 14.5 hours. In a typical road trip your average speed (including charging time) would be 20 mph
According to General Motors, the Volt battery holds 16 kwh of electricity. It takes a full 10 hours to charge a drained battery. The cost for the electricity to charge the Volt is never mentioned so I looked up what I pay for electricity. I pay approximately (it varies with amount used and the seasons) $1.16 per kwh. 16 kwh x $1.16 per kwh = $18.56 to charge the battery. $18.56 per charge divided by 25 miles = $0.74 per mile to operate the Volt using the battery. Compare this to a similar size car with a gasoline engine that gets only 32 mpg. $3.19 per gallon divided by 32 mpg = $0.10 per mile.
The gasoline powered car costs about $20,000 while the Volt costs $46,000+… So the American Government wants loyal Americans not to do the math, but simply pay three times as much for a car, that costs more than seven times as much to run, and takes three times longer to drive across the country.
..And the enormously expensive deep-cycle battery MAY last as much as... three years!
Are we really this stupid? The wind mill and solar panel stories are equally insane. There are but a few places where they may just about break even. Pennsylvania is not one of them. We just don't have magic fairy dust energy yet folks... No matter how much the government subsides it!
“It is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they have been fooled.” – Mark Twain
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My Take: I've been in the oil & gas industry for almost 40 years. Over that time, I've heard of many things that were going to lower demand for hydrocarbon based liquid fuels, primarily gasoline and diesel. None of them have come close to slowing down the annual increase in demand for oil and most of them cause more problems. We are going to see more EVs in the future, but the fact is that EV sales must double for ten years in a row (virtually impossible) before they reach 10% of the total fleet of cars and light trucks. As the article above points out, by then they will have created a serious problem for the electrical grid. However, I am bullish on lithium because I think the "Big Ticket Item" is a rechargeable battery system to power the home. I will point this out at our Houston luncheon on October 27. - Dan
Another EPG member (a professor at SMU) sent me this:
The number of electric vehicles will continue to increase over the coming decades and will reduce the growth of global oil demand (not by much), but predictions of hundreds of millions of EVs before 2030 is far-fetched. Here is why: https://www.anasalhajji.com/blog/foreca ... lculations