Is Debt an issue in valuing an E&P
Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 6:27 pm
One of our members sent me an e-mail today asking me if I consider a company's debt level when I value an E&P company. He attached an article that discussed the high level of debt for many of the shale companies. IMO the article (probably written by a staff reporter) was poorly written and used a lot of very bad examples. Below is my response. - Dan
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Yes I do. I use a lower multiple of cash flows to value a company with a lot of leverage.
Let me add that the article below has several mismatches (IMHO). Debt levels should be compared to proven reserves (that is what the banks do), not to cash flows. Also, current assets should be compared to current liabilities and long-term assets should be compared to long-term liabilities. EBITDA is the current measure for estimating a companies ability to service their debt, which of course is very important. [Not to mention that comparing an E&P company to Exxon is ridiculous.] Plus, she uses a lot of really bad example like FST, GDP and Quicksilver. I bet we can find bad examples in every sector. [BTW I do think there is hope for GDP.]
The problem when a financial analyst that is unfamiliar with oil & gas accounting rules looks at an E&P company is that they see long-term assets on the balance sheet recorded at historical costs, not at current values. You need a reserve report to value an E&P company's assets.
For example, when I was at Hess we tracked over a 100 companies as possible takeover targets and we valued an E&P company's LT assets something like this:
100% of the PV10 value of the proved developed reserves (PDP)
+ 90% of the PV10 value of proved but undeveloped reserves (PDNP)
+ 50% of the PV10 value of probable reserves (P2)
+ 25% of the PV10 value of possible reserves (P3)
+ some value for raw leasehold (depended on how much we wanted it and remaining lease term)
If you took the time to do this for CLR or EOG, you would get a much higher value for their equity than just taking Assets - Liabilities looking at only the balance sheet.
My Fair Value Estimates are my "SWAG" at what I think a company's break-up or takeover value is today. It is slightly different than a price target, but close enough to compare to First Call's Price Targets.
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Yes I do. I use a lower multiple of cash flows to value a company with a lot of leverage.
Let me add that the article below has several mismatches (IMHO). Debt levels should be compared to proven reserves (that is what the banks do), not to cash flows. Also, current assets should be compared to current liabilities and long-term assets should be compared to long-term liabilities. EBITDA is the current measure for estimating a companies ability to service their debt, which of course is very important. [Not to mention that comparing an E&P company to Exxon is ridiculous.] Plus, she uses a lot of really bad example like FST, GDP and Quicksilver. I bet we can find bad examples in every sector. [BTW I do think there is hope for GDP.]
The problem when a financial analyst that is unfamiliar with oil & gas accounting rules looks at an E&P company is that they see long-term assets on the balance sheet recorded at historical costs, not at current values. You need a reserve report to value an E&P company's assets.
For example, when I was at Hess we tracked over a 100 companies as possible takeover targets and we valued an E&P company's LT assets something like this:
100% of the PV10 value of the proved developed reserves (PDP)
+ 90% of the PV10 value of proved but undeveloped reserves (PDNP)
+ 50% of the PV10 value of probable reserves (P2)
+ 25% of the PV10 value of possible reserves (P3)
+ some value for raw leasehold (depended on how much we wanted it and remaining lease term)
If you took the time to do this for CLR or EOG, you would get a much higher value for their equity than just taking Assets - Liabilities looking at only the balance sheet.
My Fair Value Estimates are my "SWAG" at what I think a company's break-up or takeover value is today. It is slightly different than a price target, but close enough to compare to First Call's Price Targets.